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alpha femme wrote:

j0j0ruca wrote:

alpha femme wrote:i have a magic bullet; it's the closest i get to cooking.

Magic Bullet sounds so so dirty!

yes, but that's the closest i get to dating....

HOGWASH!

Ok, my lazy behind is finally up. Must shower and go get a pedicure. My hooves haven't seen the light of day since - oh man FOREVER!

j0j0ruca wrote:

alpha femme wrote:

j0j0ruca wrote:

alpha femme wrote:i have a magic bullet; it's the closest i get to cooking.

Magic Bullet sounds so so dirty!

yes, but that's the closest i get to dating....

HOGWASH!

Ok, my lazy behind is finally up. Must shower and go get a pedicure. My hooves haven't seen the light of day since - oh man FOREVER!

Thanks for sharing...

Alex, are you sure you and jojo aren't sisters? Lucky for you to find a friend who can match you in cleverness.

Serendipity wrote:Alex, are you sure you and jojo aren't sisters? Lucky for you to find a friend who can match you in cleverness.

pretty sure... she keeps rejecting my advances, so we're safe either way.

eventually, i'll put all of this together the way i want to; in the meantime....

9 months in, i'm 201 lbs. that's 99 pounds lost on mf and 199 total. i can jog when i want to. i can buy shirts and pants at regular stores, although it turns out that i have the world's shortest inseam.

i still can't adjust to not feeling like the fattest girl in the room. i still think i take up a huge amount of space, but i try not to do things to give it away. as it turns out, if i don't notice it, no one else does, either.

Congrats for "passing" and for being a teeny bit away from ONEDERLAND!

Alex. You rock girl. I went back and read your first post. You are down 200# ANd you look beautiful. And congrats on keeping with it.

Look how close you are to onederland.
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i put this in my journal, because i don't want to start a debate in someone else's. this is in reference to the debate over food addiction and "real" addiction.

anonymous wrote:I don't agree. Our prisons aren't filled with people based on food addictions, and the buying and selling of food. We don't have parks full of homeless twinkie addicts trying to get their next fix. I do see that we have to have food and I agreed that they are both addictions. Just not exactly the same.

this is merely defining true addiction based upon willingness to break laws.

look at 400+ pound people who can barely move; people who eat until they are non-ambulatory; people who can't enjoy the simple things like sitting in a booth, getting on an amusement park ride, or making love to their partner. can you really say they aren't sacrificing their lives for their addictions? because food isn't illegal, we don't have to break laws to "use." but anyone who has gone far enough down this road knows we damn well would.

anyone who is, or has been, morbidly obese has been willing to trade everything for food. that's why they call it morbidly obese-- at that weight, you know that eating can kill you... but you do it anyway.

i used to be 400#. i know what it's like to be willing to sacrifice everything for "a twinkie--" or a box of twinkies. and you know what? people DO steal food. ever worked at a job with a common fridge? there's always someone in there jacking lunches, eating stuff that isn't theirs. do people assume that these "mystery shoppers" are just bored? think of how embarrassing it would be to get caught doing that. most places would fire you for stealing; yet, it happens.

alpha femme wrote:
this is merely defining true addiction based upon willingness to break laws.

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No, addiction is psychological, physical and gets worse over time, not better. So yes, food addiction and alcoholism are the same. The difference is, you can give 100 people food and they dont get food addiction. If you give my grandmother heroin 15 days in a row, regardless of her emotional issues, she will be a heroin addict and do anything to get a fix. That is where breaking laws comes in. Also, the extremes of obesity you are discussing are relatively rare compared to the hoardes of addicts in any major city.

I'd like to enter this debate. Having been a smoker for 35 years (quit cold turkey almost 10 years ago) I know something about addiction. I don't claim that an addiction to a legal substance is the same as an addiction to an illegal one. Surely the societal ramifications are different. Still, I think there are many parallels in the harm done to the abuser.

Eating disorders, whether they involve starving or stuffing, have both psychological and medical consequences. Overeaters are subjet to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, increased risk of bowel, breast, and reproductive cancers, increased risk of diabetes, arthritic damage to joints, etc. --All of which can be life-threatening or at least dibilitating. From a psychological stand point overeaters can suffer from depression that can lead to self-harm and suicide, the feeling of being out of control and helpless to do anything about problems, anxiety and self-doubt, guilt and shame, feelings of failure, obsessive thoughts and preoccupations, compulsive behaviors, feelings of alienation and loneliness, and feelings of hopeless and helpless.

Determining the cause of the eating disorder or drug abuse is imperative to bring the individual back to a state of health. Giving up addictive drugs is difficult and can be become an ongoing battle to maintain. Eating disorders are different in that one has to develop a new relationship with food--we cannot give food up entirely--and it can still remain an ongoing battle to maintain.

Are both these struggles the same? No.
On a personal level, is one easier to deal with than the other? That would entirely depend upon the person.

Of course, that's just MHO!

Mary

MerryMary wrote:Eating disorders, whether they involve starving or stuffing, have both psychological and medical consequences. Overeaters are subjet to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, increased risk of bowel, breast, and reproductive cancers, increased risk of diabetes, arthritic damage to joints, etc. --All of which can be life-threatening or at least dibilitating. From a psychological stand point overeaters can suffer from depression that can lead to self-harm and suicide, the feeling of being out of control and helpless to do anything about problems, anxiety and self-doubt, guilt and shame, feelings of failure, obsessive thoughts and preoccupations, compulsive behaviors, feelings of alienation and loneliness, and feelings of hopeless and helpless.


Mary

Almost everything you said can be said for alcoholism as well. It affects every system of the body and increases changes of cancer and disease throughout the body. The psychological ramifications are exactly the same. I would like to say I never intended this to be a debate about anything. I was merely expressing in my personal journal feelings of occasional alienation because I couldn't often relate to those who are addicted to and obsessed with food which is often a topic here. That is all.

bikipatra wrote:

MerryMary wrote:Eating disorders, whether they involve starving or stuffing, have both psychological and medical consequences. Overeaters are subjet to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, increased risk of bowel, breast, and reproductive cancers, increased risk of diabetes, arthritic damage to joints, etc. --All of which can be life-threatening or at least dibilitating. From a psychological stand point overeaters can suffer from depression that can lead to self-harm and suicide, the feeling of being out of control and helpless to do anything about problems, anxiety and self-doubt, guilt and shame, feelings of failure, obsessive thoughts and preoccupations, compulsive behaviors, feelings of alienation and loneliness, and feelings of hopeless and helpless.


Mary

Almost everything you said can be said for alcoholism as well.

My point exactly! The similarities are amazingly similar--which is why people are so passionate about their recovery.

Biki, I have said before that you are amazing in that you have multiple struggles you are dealing with. It can be easy to feel like an outsider if you choose to focus only on your addiction to alcohol or drugs without realizing that people with eating disorders feel the same about their struggle with food as you do about your struggle with drugs. What we have in common is the passion that surrounds our journey to wholeness.

Mary

and so much for my statement that i posted in my journal in order to not have a debate in someone else's thread.

anyway. the change this week should have been monumental and exciting. maybe it was for a minute or two.... but, at the end of the day, it was just another mile-marker on a really long journey.

alpha femme wrote::roll: and so much for my statement that i posted in my journal in order to not have a debate in someone else's thread.

anyway. the change this week should have been monumental and exciting. maybe it was for a minute or two.... but, at the end of the day, it was just another mile-marker on a really long journey.

You broke through the 200s! Yay!

alpha femme wrote::roll: and so much for my statement that i posted in my journal in order to not have a debate in someone else's thread.

anyway. the change this week should have been monumental and exciting. maybe it was for a minute or two.... but, at the end of the day, it was just another mile-marker on a really long journey.

Congrats on reaching ONEDERVILLE

Okay, you want to see that it's just another milestone, but, it's a pretty great one . And, you are getting closer and closer to your goal. You have worked so hard, and I am very inspired by you and your patience and steadfastness .


Cheers,
Karli